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Post by jackal88 on Feb 28, 2005 14:26:59 GMT -5
I'm willing to pay $50 a year for Socom online play if they have a new and improved friends list and less lag. I like the fact that when you get booted on Halo 2 , it pauses the whole game and reloads everyone in their same spot/postion. I'm sure Sony will try their hardest to outdo Microsoft. BTW funny shit Ars.
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Post by me on Feb 28, 2005 15:38:21 GMT -5
dont believe it until you see it. while some of us might be happy with better servers at a small fee, i highly doubt that zipper/sony is just gonna all of a sudden start chargin people and risk losing their fan base on ps2. lets not forget that other games in the same genre (FPS and TPS) will be coming out around the same time (and they wont be charging for anything) so dont expect socom to start doin it out of the blue. xbox charges for online play in general, not individual games (i think...) so sony would be stupid to risk it on ps2 (dont bring up ffxi and everquest. dorks play that).
if it does happen, it would probably be for socom on ps3.
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Post by Bunk on Mar 1, 2005 10:06:10 GMT -5
Well in that case if they dont fix the lag I think I will fully convert to Xbox until ps3 comes out, and I prolly will borrow it to see if its all that. I know I got a good deal with xbox and I am happy as shit, Finally, game(s) I can play and actually never ever complain about lag or being shot and actually dying around the wall.. real time is more like it. A lot just hate the Xbox why? I dont understand, it is a better console. I still love my ps2 but Xbox is where i go when I dont want a laggerific game.
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Post by me on Mar 1, 2005 10:36:33 GMT -5
fully convert huh? lets see how long that lasts...
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Post by jackal88 on Mar 1, 2005 11:25:45 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying Bunk and it makes perfect sense, but I like Socom too much to fully convert. There is no doubt that X-Box is ideal for lag free fun, but I think the lag is part of Socom now and everyone has adjusted to it. I'll see you on Socom  |
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Post by Bunk on Mar 1, 2005 13:50:41 GMT -5
See, me I stick to my convictions, If I say I aint coming back, nothing will get me back. IF they dont fix their lag issue I don't care How much I love the game I will no longer play it. Fuck it and I wont buy their product.
Maybe they will not notice one person not playing. But I know that I will have a better experience on xbox.. Because it is the better console and cannot be beat right now when it comes to service. Dont hate on the xbox cuz u dont have one and havent felt how good it is to have no lag. I dont believe I should get used to the lag, I beleive I paid money for it and its should not be there. No fix, No money, Ill go somewhere else where the consumer gets what they deserve, a good playing experience and a laggerrrific free experience.. I guess we will see, how much longer I will be on the ps2 platform.
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Post by me on Mar 1, 2005 14:28:09 GMT -5
you get what you pay for. sony aint chargin you anything so its difficult to say that sony isnt doing enough to help correct lag. shit and money dont grow on trees. so sure, they are gonna have better servers on xbox. whoop-tee-dooo. again, it wont help them in the game originality department, but ill spare you of all that and you can go back and read the SOCOM III post again.
whatever your preference is, thats up to you. when should I expect Bunks decision on Xbox vs. PS?
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Post by Bunk on Mar 1, 2005 16:00:03 GMT -5
It's been chosen, I play xbox more than I do socom, I started the tourney to make the shit more interesting. I like playing with the peeps, but I hate the lag on the game and the frustration surrounding it. I won't be on too tough after the tourney, i'll be on xbox. And when socom 3 comes out and if I see no improvement on their part, then I guess it's just a wrap as it will prove to me that sony would rather care about hurting the little kids feelings who cant afford to pay.. Fuck em I say, Im willing to pay, what do I get.. And by the way, they lost fan base already as more and more people are playing xbox,, Look at the stats for them, socom sold how many units? and how many people do u see logged in?
For one game Halo2, They sold so many copies it literally took them a couple of days to make more than 150 million dollars, one game? damm must be something good over there. and when I check the stats online, well look for yourself:
Halo 2 - Xbox Live Statistics
(last 24 hrs)
Unique Players: 426,397
Matches Logged: 880,002
Players Online: 69,340
And these numbers were taken a half hour ago. Imagine what those nombers are like around 8pm when the most of the entire country is home from work and playing their game..
When has socom ever had numbers like that.. Its the service..
I do understand that u get what u pay for, but I'm saying that they should charge and make it better, fuck the fan base, would u rather have a lot of angry frustrated people who hardly play the game or people who actually like playing it and get you more money by recommending it to others.. i'm sure that if they charge and the complaints of lag went way down, people from xbox may actually move over..
Some people actually like the lag cuz they use it to their advantage.
Others only limit themselves to certain games, never experiencing all the other good shit is out there. Why is that, denial? fear of trying something new. I never ever played FPS and now I realize it's not that bad..I do prefer 3rd person, but FP is ok and I'm glad I tried it..
But one should never criticize having never tried, and I mean actually trying it..Not assuming.
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Post by me on Mar 1, 2005 18:50:11 GMT -5
LOL wow, you wanna bring stats into it? well you better make sure they are valid before you throw them at me.
1. Halo was a release day title, Socom 1 wasnt.
2. Halo was packaged with Xbox, and so is Halo 2, Socom 1 and 2 werent, arent, and for all we know, it never will be (why? its not PS2's franchise game like Halo is to Xbox).
3. Xbox came packaged with online capability, PS2 didnt.
now its pretty clear where Halo sales come from isnt it? ask anyone what Xbox's best game is, whether theyve played it or not. what are the chances they will say something other than Halo? not very likely. ask them the same question about PS2. i guarantee you a large majority of the time, the answer wont be Socom. who would have more unique players, matches logged, and players online considering those three things that i listed? hell, back up even more than that: can you even find stats like this for Socom online somewhere? Nope.
next, would it make any relevant sense to start charging people for Socom 2 servers RIGHT NOW? what about the people who dont want to pay? do they automatically get cut off from Socom online? if its a known fact that your 2 prior games on that same system were free, why start now (or for S3) knowing that you can start fresh and charge people without risking detriment with PS3, which is a brand new system, with brand new games? does it even make sense to charge people to play individual games? everyone is saying they would pay X amount of dollars to play Socom with better servers, but if Xbox clearly charges for online access, not specific games, who do you think will still have the advantage? does the basic consumer even play everquest or FFXI? ask them if them if it makes sense to pay for online access over individual games, and see the response you get. a clear and overwhelming yes, online access over individual games.
limit myself to certain games? can you find anywhere on this site, or any other site for that matter where i said i dont like FPS? i guarantee you, you wont cuz i never said it. i prefered FPS until i played Socom, and i still own a FPS so where did you get that from?
what about the time i actually played Halo? were you there? did you hear me or see me type somewhere that i thought Halo was a bad game? nope. but you will see many times that ive said, and i quote "i do want to get halo, but im not buying an xbox just for that." i could care less about anything else on xbox because the game play isnt really that spectacular to me, and why should i go buy a new system to play the same things when i dont have a problem with them on ps2? the only game i even play online is socom, so why would i care about xbox online?
the only person assuming anything here is you. like i said before, i wont bullshit you on anything. ill only give you my 2 cents backed by solid facts.
last but not least, who was comparing Socom to Halo? not me. i didnt even bring up Halo or Socom here, if you look back, that was Snipe and then Muffin. I even remember you and everyone else saying you cant compare Socom to Halo, because they are completely different kinds of games and on different systems, so why are you comparing them? I never did.
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Post by Bunk on Mar 2, 2005 0:19:48 GMT -5
OK, but answer me this, where on here anywhere did I say "Ars" U limit yourself when it comes to games, nowhere, the only thing I did say that can be construed as directed to you was "Dont hate on the xbox cuz u dont have one and havent felt how good it is to have no lag." I was talking about the gaming consumers in general. I don't know and don't care about Halo (1) cuz I didnt have the console then and dont know whether or not it was Packaged with halo. Halo (1) was not online capable when It came out..Only system link capable (Joining 2 systems together for those reading this and dont know what that is) So Socom1 actually had the leg up in that aspect cuz it was online capable. The only reason people were able to play HAlo online was because someone came up with a service that could play the game online using the system link feature, Microsoft didnt even have the service then. I forgot the name of the service but I think it was xconnect or something. As for Halo2 being packaged with the xbox, that wasnt true until christmas, Halo2 was released November 9th 2004. During the christmas rush the retailers decided to do it because it was a hot title and they figured people who didnt have an xbox would appreciate the package deal. Retailers could have done the samething with Socom (Released August 27, 2002) when it came out, being that it was also released before christmas but didnt, I know cuz I bought the PS2 during the christmas season of that year and they instead sole it with Vice City and some other game. Vice city, wasnt it in the middle of controversy cuz people were saying it was too violent.. Shit they would have done better with socom cuz it wasnt so controversial, I think it actually would have been better. I agree about the franchise issue, but Vice city wasnt their product. That decision was the retailers but sony could have said something. A recommendation or something. Since socom was an exclusive to sony unlike alot of other games who are on both platforms. And I thought socom was the best thing to hit mother earth.. Socom stats online was supposed to be web linked like halo is because I was happiest about that the most, since i created our site and manually entered our stats..But they didnt do it. Why, If all the servers are connected to the internet and their servers are most likely run by Sun Micro systems why couldnt they do it. Shit Microsoft did it, its all a matter of linking the stats on socom to another db that can be viewed on the internet. Shit I did it at work. Not that what we did it to was a game, but the same concept (internal updated stats and external viewer syncronised on the back end) and it wasnt that hard. Also I wasn't talking about chargin for socom 2, I was referring to the next iteration of the game. It would be nice to have a lag free environment and I would like them to charge for S3 online, but it will most likely not be a reality. Which is why i will rent it instead of buying it to see how the lag is doing. Your right in that aspect, wait for PS3. I wont buy the PS3 until I have checked it out at someone else crib, but if they dont charge for online and it continues the way it is now, I wont buy it. Socom and Halo cannot be compared. They are 2 great games but of diff types. I love them both, but my love for Socom is diminishing cuz of the lag. Is it that hard to tweak MTU settings or find another way to minimize the lag. Shit I do it at work with my servers and we provide net work services to 6,000+ people all over the world and we use a smaller bandwidth pipe. I'm not saying I can solve all their problems but I'm sure with their budget they can pay someone who can help.. The Socom 2 beta I received wasn't to test the game for glitches cuz they sent them about a month and a half before the drop date, shit U need just about that much time to press and package all of the media and deliver to stores. They sent them out so the testers can test the servers. Which were extremely horrible, u couldnt even play for more than 20 minutes without getting booted. In addition, I would say about 98 percent of games out there come out for both platforms. It's good that we can discuss this in the forum in which we are. Good conversation that doesn't include gay filth or bashing. Now back to your regularly scheduled filth. Tank is a lil gay bastard, and Crash dummy may have fallen off the face of the earth but him and Tank have a lil too personal relationship which I will not speak of... Crash -->  <-- Tank |
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Post by SNIPE on Mar 2, 2005 0:30:33 GMT -5
Well I dont play neaither one of them.Halo is too Hard to kill people online.(For Me Anyhow)I would much rather have Xbox for many reasons.Hard Drive is the main though.You can store all kinda shit in it and have you own personal music playing in a lot of games.I play online with Xbox more because of better service.And I DONT play HALO online.I play NCAA Football,MVP Baseball,and Ghost Recon.Which to me Ghost Recon is better then Socom.But it could be because there isnt lagg in it.Graphics are a lot better on the Xbox also.But no need to argue over who likes what.If you cant afford both PS2 and Xbox then find a little side job to make an extra dollar or two.Its worth it having both consoles.Theres a lot of games that dont come out on one or the other so I just get both.Much easier this way. |
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Post by Yung Assassin on Mar 2, 2005 2:29:14 GMT -5
wow with the books u guys are writing. takes me 5 minutes to read all that shit.
let me say one thing...........ghost recon fucking sucks ass. its HORRIBLE. better than socom MY ASS. i'd rather play ms. pacman.
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Post by Muffin on Mar 2, 2005 11:48:55 GMT -5
Yeah damn, books. But Ghost recon isn't all that bad. Socom is def way better. Ive played GR on both PS2 and XBOX and that is one game I prefer on XBOX. They made the graphics much better for XBOX and the online play for it much better for XBOX. So it's a pretty descent game, I rarely play though, not enough time to play that many games at once right now.
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Post by .Joker. on Mar 2, 2005 11:55:28 GMT -5
i dont own ghost recon, but everyone says it is better on xbox over ps2 (graphics & game play, the ps2 version sucks to the xbox one). but as far as quailty & exclusive games go, a lot of quality games that are on ps2 come out on xbox also. all the ea sports titles, quailty games on both sysytems. MGS3 only out for ps2 right now, but is coming out for xbox. so in all fairness xbox has almost the same amount of quailty games as ps2. the reason for this is 3rd party companies dont want to limit their sales on just 1 system. like i sated before i am not chosing sides cuz i own all 3 systems and get whatever game i want for any system. but the quailty factor really doesn't matter as far as what system it's for, cuz you can get the almost all the same games for each one.
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Post by Arsenal23 on Mar 2, 2005 19:20:42 GMT -5
its funny, cuz i can say the same things over and over again but it just flies over everyones heads.
it might not have been your intention, but considering that im the only one having the conversation with you, it would imply that you were referring to me unless you said otherwise. especially since you put it all together like that.
Xbox came with a network adapter and hdd. you had to buy it separately for ps2, and you were lucky if you could even find the network adapter on the release day. Advantage: Xbox.
Halo2 was still packaged with Xbox, that was never the case for Socom on ps2. it doesnt matter what they couldve done, just what they did. and again, the network adapter and Socom came out on the same day, but you were lucky if you could find both of them in a store at the same time.
most people dont care about this feature for Socom, and considering that Socom allows people from all around the world to play on the same servers (which might be the case for Halo also, i dont know), why would should they waste their time with it?
i can almost guarantee you there will be a difference. whether they charge or not. heres a quote from the April issue of EGM:
this is true. the lag wasnt nearly as bad until they integrated the standard international server. i dont know if thats the problem or the fact that christmas just passed and there are more new users on now, but another problem is some people are working off the hdd, while others arent. use yung as an example. he claims to rarely see lag while the rest of us (with the hdd and good connections) always see it. but in this case you know more about how these things work, so thats just my theory.
sure, and almost all of them, with exception of the sports games, come out for ps2 first.
extra dollar? you realize who you are talkin to right? i could buy it today, tomorrow, AND not OR, yesterday. affording it is definitely not a problem. i dont want a system for 1 game.
no its not. if it does, ill buy it for you. if you dont believe me, look it up.
anyway, like i said, i could go on for days with FACTS, but you will all continue to try to say otherwise so ill wait for someone to say something else.
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